There is still no concensus on this in the scientific community. Personally, I don’t think it matters whether it is a choice or not. However, it is a choice between two adults whether or not they want to get married. All committed couples should have the right to make that choice, not just the heterosexual ones.

“I don’t feel the necessity to quote famous people or studies to make my case, that wouldn’t be me thinking for myself, and that’s why I don’t bring them up, not because I don’t know about them but because these types of discussions should be kept simple. Many times people get so caught up in studies and what somebody said that they forget to make an opinion from there heart, from deep in there were you feel what’s right and wrong.”

This is just willful ignorance. Your argument is basically, “I’m right because I say I’m right.” Do the legwork and prove your point.

“…but why do you want to take so many of our values away, so that you can feel better about what you do and your lifestyle?”

What values are supporters of gay marriage trying to take away? The supporters of gay marriage promote monogamy, stability, family, etc. It’s opponents of gay rights, like marriage and adoption, who want to tear families apart, promote isolation and instability, and not protect dedicated couples who just want the same protection and recognition under the law that straight married couples have.

“…because I can guarantee you that if you go to the people you will always loose over and over again.”

Simply not true. The trend is that more and more people support gay marriage rights every year, and that a major portion of those who supported Prop 8 were older people. I believe that I will see recognition of gay marriage at a federal level within my lifetime. I could be wrong– time will tell.

“…why do you assume yes on 8 voters “hate” you?”

I don’t assume that yes voters on 8hate gay people, although some probably do. I assume that people who voted yes on 8 don’t actually know any gay couples, or else they wouldn’t have voted to strip their their friends of the right to marriage.

“i just dont feel the term marriage is a “right”. its a term, and homosexuals can have the exact same thing, just call it a different term, whatever you want, just not marriage.”

If it does all the same things as marriage, why not call it… marriage? Again, what does one man’s marriage to another man take away from a different man’s marriage to a woman? Nothing.

No one on this thread has yet been able to make any rational argument about the negative impact that gay marriage will have on society. Saying “This is not what I am used to and I just don’t like it” is not a strong enough argument to convince me why gay marriage is a bad thing. Someone please tell me in concrete, practical terms why gay couples should not be allowed to marry.

Here’s the link:

http://californiansagainsthate.blogspot.com/2008/11/sworn-complaint-filed-against-mormon.html

I have been reading these post and I believe people in favor of Gay marriage keep missing the point, this is not about you having the freedom to be gay, you do have that freedom you can do whatever you want in this great country, but why do you want to take so many of our values away, so that you can feel better about what you do and your lifestyle?
Gays have been wanting for years to be accepted as “normal”(I don’t find them abnormal at all), but the truth is that most people in this country don’t feel that it’s correct or normal at all.
Honestly I think this is a losing battle for Gay movements and that is why they go the judges and high elected officials to get there way, because I can guarantee you that if you go to the people you will always loose over and over again.

Peter,
I don’t mean to lecture you about anything but we do take for granted our freedoms we fight over things we want and we forget how good we actually have it here in this country, I have lived abroad and from experience I can tell you.Now the comments about Muslims are correct and I would love to see a Muslim that openly supports this…well then he’s not really a Muslim.

Edwin.

The use of violence of one kind or another is proof that the argument promoting gay “marriage” is entirely weak. Only bullies engage in this kind of abuse of the legal system.

And, to those who willfully promote misinformation and pseudo-science: the credible research shows that homosexuality is not “inherent”. Homosexuality is a choice – a complex choice conditioned by psycho-social factors, but a choice nonetheless.

Also, please note the correct spelling of the word “queer.” If you want documentation, here’s a source to check out: Webster’s Dictionary. I really don’t care how you spell it, but I wanted to point that out to you so that other people don’t fail to take you seriously because of simple spelling errors.

http://news.nationalgeographic.com/news/

2004/07/0722_040722_

gayanimal.html

1. Here’s a link to a National Geographic article:

http://news.nationalgeographic.com/news/2004/07/0722_040722_gayanimal.html

The fact you don’t know of it doesn’t mean it doesn’t exist.

2. “Normal” is a social construct. Different societies around the world have different definitions of normal. Sometimes, conflicting ideas about what is normal exist within a single society, such as what is happening right now in the debate over extending marriage rights to homosexuals. If by “normal” you mean “occurring in nature,” please follow the link above.

3. There is not one credible scientific source that documents how homosexuality is tearing our country apart. If there is, then kindly post the reputable scientific verification, by knowledgeable and reputable manuscript, documented scientific filing .. or other commendable proof outside the homophobic community rhetoric.

Our Founding Fathers were not perfect. They wrote slavery into the Constitution and allowed only adult male landowners to vote.

If California were to fall off the continent, which would in fact kill millions of people (mostly straight Christians), there would still be homosexuals in every other populated part of the world, as there are now.

Clearly, because you feel so passionately about this, you must get harassed by homosexuals all the time, and because you are so knowledgeable about this, you must know an awful lot of homosexuals, and they must be really awful people.

My experiences are a bit different. I never get harassed by gay people, and while I do know a lot of gay people, most of them are very decent, loving, responsible, respectable, hard-working, law-abiding, and fun people. Many of them are also quite religious, and they believe that God created them in His own image and likeness. And they also believe that it is for God to judge them, and that God loves them exactly how He created them.