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		<title>By: NG</title>
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		<dc:creator>NG</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 08 Mar 2009 21:04:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>One of the major problems with the No On 8 campaign was their reluctance to include gay or lesbian families in their ads, even say the words.&lt;br/&gt;&lt;br/&gt;&quot;Lurker or plant&quot; are your words, not mine.&lt;br/&gt;&lt;br/&gt;Nonetheless, I would also appreciate if Mr. Karger would respond to the concerns being posted here, so to clarify any misinterpretations or misperceptions about the boycott itself.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>One of the major problems with the No On 8 campaign was their reluctance to include gay or lesbian families in their ads, even say the words.</p>
<p>&#8220;Lurker or plant&#8221; are your words, not mine.</p>
<p>Nonetheless, I would also appreciate if Mr. Karger would respond to the concerns being posted here, so to clarify any misinterpretations or misperceptions about the boycott itself.</p>
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		<title>By: gotommy</title>
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		<dc:creator>gotommy</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 08 Mar 2009 19:27:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Did someone just suggest that I&#039;m a lurker or a plant, or that my comment is somehow fake or disingenuous because I substituted &quot;bullsh*t&quot; for &quot;bullshit?&quot;&lt;br/&gt;&lt;br/&gt;Way to stay focused on the issue, Nelson G.&lt;br/&gt;&lt;br/&gt;PS. Dunno how much you post to boards and the like, but &quot;dirty words&quot; are often filtered out, so I&#039;ve made a habit out of substituting characters to avoid triggering them. Though I still don&#039;t see how that in any way has anything to do with absolutely anything...&lt;br/&gt;&lt;br/&gt;And yeah - this whole thing still stinks. No more information, no updates. Just don&#039;t smell right...</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Did someone just suggest that I&#8217;m a lurker or a plant, or that my comment is somehow fake or disingenuous because I substituted &#8220;bullsh*t&#8221; for &#8220;bullshit?&#8221;</p>
<p>Way to stay focused on the issue, Nelson G.</p>
<p>PS. Dunno how much you post to boards and the like, but &#8220;dirty words&#8221; are often filtered out, so I&#8217;ve made a habit out of substituting characters to avoid triggering them. Though I still don&#8217;t see how that in any way has anything to do with absolutely anything&#8230;</p>
<p>And yeah &#8211; this whole thing still stinks. No more information, no updates. Just don&#8217;t smell right&#8230;</p>
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		<title>By: Glenn Ingersoll</title>
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		<dc:creator>Glenn Ingersoll</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 06 Mar 2009 17:53:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Huh? A nondiscrimination policy? They&#039;re already pretty much there? I can&#039;t disagree with anything gotommy said above.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Huh? A nondiscrimination policy? They&#8217;re already pretty much there? I can&#8217;t disagree with anything gotommy said above.</p>
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		<title>By: Friend of Jonathan</title>
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		<dc:creator>Friend of Jonathan</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 05 Mar 2009 01:04:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>2 days later, and still no details.&lt;br/&gt;&lt;br/&gt;Not good.  That&#039;s a good way to become irrelevant.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>2 days later, and still no details.</p>
<p>Not good.  That&#8217;s a good way to become irrelevant.</p>
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		<title>By: Friend of Jonathan</title>
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		<dc:creator>Friend of Jonathan</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 03 Mar 2009 01:13:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>This stinks.&lt;br/&gt;&lt;br/&gt;The reasons provided are not sufficient for ending the boycott.  Agreeing to comply with the sound HR policies most fortune 500 companies have in force, hardly makes up for $100,000 to hurt our families.&lt;br/&gt;&lt;br/&gt;Mr. Karger, your reputation is on the line here.  Either the boycott was as trivial as the published conditions for ending it are, or something is wrong.&lt;br/&gt;&lt;br/&gt;If the boycott was so trivial a matter that these minor changes justify calling it off, then no one should take future calls for boycotts by CAH seriously.&lt;br/&gt;&lt;br/&gt;I called Toyota, I called the Garff owned dealership I&#039;d been a customer at for years, telling them I would not be a customer anymore.  Now, with nothing substantial, I&#039;m supposed to forget $100,000 to hurt my family?&lt;br/&gt;&lt;br/&gt;Don&#039;t pull a Geof Kors - no secrets, no closets.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>This stinks.</p>
<p>The reasons provided are not sufficient for ending the boycott.  Agreeing to comply with the sound HR policies most fortune 500 companies have in force, hardly makes up for $100,000 to hurt our families.</p>
<p>Mr. Karger, your reputation is on the line here.  Either the boycott was as trivial as the published conditions for ending it are, or something is wrong.</p>
<p>If the boycott was so trivial a matter that these minor changes justify calling it off, then no one should take future calls for boycotts by CAH seriously.</p>
<p>I called Toyota, I called the Garff owned dealership I&#8217;d been a customer at for years, telling them I would not be a customer anymore.  Now, with nothing substantial, I&#8217;m supposed to forget $100,000 to hurt my family?</p>
<p>Don&#8217;t pull a Geof Kors &#8211; no secrets, no closets.</p>
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		<title>By: Nelson G.</title>
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		<dc:creator>Nelson G.</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 01 Mar 2009 23:22:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I was liking your comment, gotommy, until I got to the part where you edited yourself in using the word, bullshit.  If you&#039;re afraid of a word, how do you expect people to consider your commentary as genuine?&lt;br/&gt;&lt;br/&gt;That said or wrote, I don&#039;t know Mr. Karger, personally.  Given that he was the one who initiated the boycott, I will accept that he is satisfied with the ending result and congratulate him for a job well done.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I was liking your comment, gotommy, until I got to the part where you edited yourself in using the word, bullshit.  If you&#8217;re afraid of a word, how do you expect people to consider your commentary as genuine?</p>
<p>That said or wrote, I don&#8217;t know Mr. Karger, personally.  Given that he was the one who initiated the boycott, I will accept that he is satisfied with the ending result and congratulate him for a job well done.</p>
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		<title>By: a</title>
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		<dc:creator>a</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 01 Mar 2009 03:51:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Unless there is more to the story -- and more substance to the &quot;apology&quot; -- than presented, I&#039;m afraid I have to agree with both of the foregoing comments.&lt;br/&gt;&lt;br/&gt;a</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Unless there is more to the story &#8212; and more substance to the &#8220;apology&#8221; &#8212; than presented, I&#8217;m afraid I have to agree with both of the foregoing comments.</p>
<p>a</p>
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		<title>By: SacGary</title>
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		<dc:creator>SacGary</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 28 Feb 2009 22:35:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;b&gt;&quot;Bastian declined to outline any other conditions of the settlement.&quot;&lt;/b&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br/&gt;Why decline? Are you afraid we would know you took a powder?&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br/&gt;I think gotommy was right when he suggested a donation to a GLBT organization as a good faith gesture.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br/&gt;I thought the idea of a boycott was to financially effect the dealership. Did that happen or are they just afraid of the bad PR and pretended to make nice to appease us homos?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><b>&#8220;Bastian declined to outline any other conditions of the settlement.&#8221;</b></p>
<p>Why decline? Are you afraid we would know you took a powder?</p>
<p>I think gotommy was right when he suggested a donation to a GLBT organization as a good faith gesture.</p>
<p>I thought the idea of a boycott was to financially effect the dealership. Did that happen or are they just afraid of the bad PR and pretended to make nice to appease us homos?</p>
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		<title>By: gotommy</title>
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		<dc:creator>gotommy</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 28 Feb 2009 22:28:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I&#039;m not convinced...they throw in a ton of money to pass a law that denigrates gay folks and strips away our civil rights. You call for a boycott asking that and fair-minded people everywhere not allow their dollars go toward paying off those bigots. They start to sweat because they realize their bottom is being affected...so you have a lil&#039; chat, announce victory, and call off the boycott? &lt;br/&gt;&lt;br/&gt;Am I missing something?&lt;br/&gt;&lt;br/&gt;What exactly did you get in exchange? A promise to adopt a non-discrimination policy at their dealerships? What does it mean to &quot;pretty much already&quot; have a non-discrimination policy anyway? Did you share a hearty chuckle at that nutty ol&#039; battle-axe Mom and her whimsical $100,000 &quot;personal gestures&quot;?&lt;br/&gt;&lt;br/&gt;How about a matching donation to an AIDS charity or to organizations that now must fight to defeat this monster he and his family helped to create. How about a wad of cash to support a GLBT youth center in his city?&lt;br/&gt;&lt;br/&gt;&quot;We promise not to fire any fags we find working at our dealerships. I mean, we already *pretty much* don&#039;t fire &#039;em when we find em now.&quot;&lt;br/&gt;&lt;br/&gt;That&#039;s what you got? That&#039;s not penance. That&#039;s not setting things right. That&#039;s lip service.&lt;br/&gt;&lt;br/&gt;You had an &quot;open and honest&quot; discussion...pointing out that gays are human beings capable of complex thought and feeling, and deserving of the same civil rights they have...and you think they &quot;understand now why this was upsetting and hurtful to many people.&quot;&lt;br/&gt;&lt;br/&gt;What are they...5 year olds? Did you teach them to put their underpants on first and to look both ways before crossing the street?&lt;br/&gt;&lt;br/&gt;Unless the boycott extracted more than a &quot;I had no idea&quot; and a &quot;my bad&quot; from these folks, then I don&#039;t see why you&#039;re calling it off. This isn&#039;t summer camp - we&#039;re not sitting around campfire singing Kumbaya. This is war - and they started it. &lt;br/&gt;&lt;br/&gt;Money talks, bullsh*t walks. They need to put their money where their mouths are. Unless there&#039;s more to this deal, it sounds to me like you just took a hike.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I&#8217;m not convinced&#8230;they throw in a ton of money to pass a law that denigrates gay folks and strips away our civil rights. You call for a boycott asking that and fair-minded people everywhere not allow their dollars go toward paying off those bigots. They start to sweat because they realize their bottom is being affected&#8230;so you have a lil&#8217; chat, announce victory, and call off the boycott? </p>
<p>Am I missing something?</p>
<p>What exactly did you get in exchange? A promise to adopt a non-discrimination policy at their dealerships? What does it mean to &#8220;pretty much already&#8221; have a non-discrimination policy anyway? Did you share a hearty chuckle at that nutty ol&#8217; battle-axe Mom and her whimsical $100,000 &#8220;personal gestures&#8221;?</p>
<p>How about a matching donation to an AIDS charity or to organizations that now must fight to defeat this monster he and his family helped to create. How about a wad of cash to support a GLBT youth center in his city?</p>
<p>&#8220;We promise not to fire any fags we find working at our dealerships. I mean, we already *pretty much* don&#8217;t fire &#8216;em when we find em now.&#8221;</p>
<p>That&#8217;s what you got? That&#8217;s not penance. That&#8217;s not setting things right. That&#8217;s lip service.</p>
<p>You had an &#8220;open and honest&#8221; discussion&#8230;pointing out that gays are human beings capable of complex thought and feeling, and deserving of the same civil rights they have&#8230;and you think they &#8220;understand now why this was upsetting and hurtful to many people.&#8221;</p>
<p>What are they&#8230;5 year olds? Did you teach them to put their underpants on first and to look both ways before crossing the street?</p>
<p>Unless the boycott extracted more than a &#8220;I had no idea&#8221; and a &#8220;my bad&#8221; from these folks, then I don&#8217;t see why you&#8217;re calling it off. This isn&#8217;t summer camp &#8211; we&#8217;re not sitting around campfire singing Kumbaya. This is war &#8211; and they started it. </p>
<p>Money talks, bullsh*t walks. They need to put their money where their mouths are. Unless there&#8217;s more to this deal, it sounds to me like you just took a hike.</p>
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